Flynn books $$$$$$

15 Apr

So I was thinking, I don’t remember ever reading about what our man Flynn was ever paid by any publisher(s) for his books of which he had written; Showdown and Beams End.

Does anyone know this?

I know curiosity killed the cat, but whos meowing?..prrrrrrrrrrr…

— Sergio


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  1. twinarchers

    April 15, 2016 at 5:34 pm

    No idea but I am sure he was given money up front like most authors.

    • Sergio

      April 15, 2016 at 11:06 pm

      thanks TWIN – Strange how it was never mentioned anywhere, heck we know so much about him, from dirt to good, his salaries, expenditures, etc. – etc.. has to be something out there.
      Ok Hound dog GENTELMAN TIM, put your nose to the ground and find us something, if anyone can its you sport…

      • Gentleman Tim

        April 16, 2016 at 1:19 am

        Despite dogged determination, Serge, I may not be able to sniff sufficiently for this until Monday night or Tuesday, by which time you will almost certainly be scent the answer by someone more capable than I. I have been called on another mission. Sorry for the no kennel do attitude.

        For the record, though, I do believe I read somewhere once, long ago and far away, what Errol was paid or advanced for Beam’s End or Showdown – and/or his masterpiece, In Like Me.


        • Sergio

          April 16, 2016 at 2:17 pm

          Right and thanks.. love that pic – sort of look one would have seen on some female in chase of Flynn…

      • David DeWitt

        April 16, 2016 at 5:05 am

        I think Errol received a $9,000. advance for My Wicked, Wicked Ways. The book is still in print, I believe, too.

        • Sergio

          April 16, 2016 at 3:22 pm

          Yes your right on that David, I read that a few years back, yet that’s the only one I could find – Poor boy never got the opportunity to get the residuals they made from it which is and still continues to climb from that book alone – in one of the updated “My Wicked Wicked Ways”, by Jeffrey Myers, he mentions (2002) introduction:
          ; “To date figures of the British market stand sales of £230,500 ($327356.10 USD) – and still selling – “The paperback edition sales between September 1992 and December 1999 amount to £18,500 ($26273.70 USD)”..
          “The American paperback edition, which had reach a seventh printing in February 1974, has sold more than a million copies”……(JM – My Wicked Wicked Ways intro 2002)

          I would assume that British market stand number does not include the American nor any other countries numbers in sales, and if not, and with so many versions of this book alone, the amount of cash must be astronomical.

          To add sales of his other books and bios, well, All I can say is; Flynn ole bean you would have not ever made another movie again as you had wished sport…. What a bloody shame, something he wished for and never got, yet someone somewhere is raking in some serous side smackers, hopefully its the family….

          • Sergio

            April 16, 2016 at 3:31 pm

            By the way have we ever figured out what was the real “First Edition”, its Cover, its looks – there are a few out there with claims of first edition and first prints, not 100% on which is the real one yet. Still looking for one myself…

            • David DeWitt

              April 16, 2016 at 5:37 pm

              I have a First Edition and a Third Impression of My Wicked, Wicked Ways. The First Edition is different from the Third Impression only in that the First Edition has green piping at the top and bottom. Putnam’s describes how to tell what is a first edition:

              G.P. Putnam’s Sons (US)

              1928-1959: The title page does not normally include any entry to indicate first editions. However, in subsequent printings the words “First printed” followed by the relevant dates appear under the copyright notice. Similarly, the other printings and their dates are included. The absence of this note indicates that a book is a first edition. The publishers avoid using the term “second edition” unless there is material difference from the first edition. For major publications that are reprinted annually, the date is omitted from the title page.

              1960-1988: All editions other than the first include the words “second (or “third, “fourth,” etc.) impression” on the copyright page. The first edition is not noted.

              1989-1992: A sequence of numbers from 1 to 10 appears from left to right on the copyright page (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10). The last number on the left indicates the printing. Thus if all numbers are present, the book is a first edition. If a Putnam edition has previously been published overseas, it will be identified on the copyright page as the “First American Edition.”

              Third Impression:

            • David DeWitt

              April 16, 2016 at 7:21 pm

              While we are on this subject, here is a copy of a letter to Trudy McVicker from her friend Earl Conrad about the contents of a diary (not the Spanish Diary!) and how Conrad wrote with Errol My Wicked, Wicked Ways. I Think Karl Holmberg sent it to me:

              • Gentleman Tim

                April 16, 2016 at 9:42 pm

                WOW!!!!!!! That is fabulous, David! Such incredibly hreat inside info!!!

                Thank you, David! Thank you, Karl! Thank you, Trudy.

                • David DeWitt

                  April 17, 2016 at 2:09 am

                  Karl adds a bit more info! He was the one who shared this letter with me.

                  MWWW was only complete in hard cover in the 1959 edition and ran 438 pages. Anything less was abridged!

                  No subsequent editions, paperback or hardcover, were a complete version until 2002 when it again was published in it’s original length in paperback at 456 pages and  in 2005 in hardcover at 438 pages. Jeffrey Meyers wrote the introduction for both editions

                  Thanks, Karl!

              • Sergio

                April 16, 2016 at 10:02 pm

                This is very cool…thanks for the share…

                • David DeWitt

                  April 17, 2016 at 4:28 pm

                  In keeping with this thread Karl Holmberg sends us his meticulous work to Index of MWWWs from 2005 for our files!


                  Thanks, Karl!

            • Sergio

              April 16, 2016 at 9:38 pm

              David here is one I am looking at – I know you give the info on how to tell, yet still not hundred percent – what is your opinion of this? thanks



              • David DeWitt

                April 17, 2016 at 2:49 am

                Sergio, I have a copy of the same Dell (paperback) printing and it is the first paperback printing by Dell Publishing in 1961. 512 pages. As far as I know, this is the book’s first appearance in paperback.

                If you want a first edition hardcover, try…, or…. Search under Used Books at Addall. They are getting hard to find in good condition. Prices $75.-$300. Read the descriptions CAREFULLY! If a second impression is mentioned, it it not a First Edition.

                I also have the Berkley edition paperback (September 1979, 12th printing) and there was a Berkely Madalian paperback, February, 1974).