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News about Last of Robin Hood

24 Jun

from Robert

trailers.apple.com…

Enjoy! And don’t forget to go to the cinema!

(And pledge for a German version…)

In case the above link does not work:

www.youtube.com…

— Inga

 
 

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THANK YOU, INGA!!!! Kline is so perfect for this. The cinematography looks above average but I wish they had a more cinematic look as it all looks very “clean”. The music in the trailer is entirely forgettable. But Kevin Kline as Errol Flynn. Finally.

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Maybe it is meant to “recreate” the spirit of the fifties, both in music and design?

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Agreed, zacal, after watching the trailer, I look forward to watching the film even more. Volker, I don’t think it will be on DVD before being in cinemas? It would be unusual? So I guess we just have to wait…

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I wonder what we could come up with if … just fantasizing… we the people of this blog would asked of producing a movie about Errol’s last two years of life? The stipulation would be that the movie has to be first class! What would we come up with? Given that there also would be only a limited budget, which would elevate going on locations and forgo all fancy things usually shown in great movies. Our task would be having to direct, write the script, finding the actors, the studio, location, settings and all the other hundreds things, which go… Read more »

Personally, I’d say eliminating “locations [and] fancy things” from any Errol Flynn movie would be a very serious mistake. One way to almost guarantee an inferior Errol Flynn movie is to work on a low budget. Focusing exclusively on the last two years of his life is also inadvisable … UNLESS perhaps one focuses on Errol telling his life stories to Earl Conrad in Jamaica. In this manner – using an inexpensive tropical setting – Errol’s fascinating stories (from throughout his entire life) and legendarily engaging storytelling ways are at the center of the movie. A few flashback scenes could… Read more »

So, you give us that challenging task, and then know response, Tina?

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Very sorry, that I missed this post of yours, which was a reply to mine.
You have a good point of an Earl Conrad storyline, the time when writing MWWW. Only it couldn’t be based all on his book as there are parts which I believe are not true.
The thought is good!

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Thanks, Tina. I’ve read Memoirs a couple of times, but can’t recall any untruthful parts, but I’m sure there must be some errors. Mostly I recall that Earl Conrad had unique access to Errol and an exceptionally gifted way of capturing his spirit & “voice”.

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Yes, I hope it makes it to german cinema’s as well. Does anybody know, if it’s out as DVD at least?

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One thing for sure, volker, it won’t be in the theaters long.

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Well, what can one say? I sure hope the movie is better than the trailer. Kline looks good, but I have to listen more to see if he really captured Flynn’s voice. From this, I’m not sure he did. Susan Sarandon looks to have some very good moments. Dakota a couple. Cinematography looks largely mediocre to me. Music is horrendous. I don’t feel it has any connection to Errol’s life or spirit. Of the three reviews quoted, two are by Rex Reed. The film evidently hasn’t garnered much critical acclaim. Doesn’t look like there will be much if anything happening… Read more »

As a fan, one always wishes anything related to Errol successful, including this new movie. Especially I read somewhere before Beverly died, she was involved with the film. But one also harbors mixed feeling, worrying the movie simply perpetuates a false public image of Errol, as many venues before it. Since Errol’s death, his image has been freely exploited in many venues or freely associated with by many creative outlets. Some respectful and some not. For example, I resent how The Aviator portrays Errol. It makes Errol appear shallow (which he definitely was not). I resent many of the bios… Read more »

So very well said, May. … I believe I too saw the Klein clip you’re referring to, indeed all the online clips involving this movie, as I’m sure you have. I too remember being underwhelmed by Kline’s lack of visible enthusiasm and recognition of Errol’s astonishing life, accomplishments, or preeminent place in history. Because it was Klein, however, I I figured maybe he was just ACTING jaded, and thus gave (and am still giving) him the benefit of a doubt. Observing everything publicly available pertaining to this movie, including this weak trailer, I’m starting to consider that, somewhere along the… Read more »

Tim Since I have not seen the film, I will not pre-judge it, but be open-minded. As Errol’s fan, I will see it and hope it do well. Also, I read somewhere the producer and director have invested many years for this to happen. Thus I believe they were sincere and hope they have the good luck. (We must give people credit when credit is due.) Only some master pieces, most of the films in the market are not perfect. As long as they have some merits, they are worthy of watching. My main point on my above comment is… Read more »

Also, history is a done deal that cannot be revised. Errol was the quintessential movie star of his era. That’s an achievement–not a reason for dismissal–no one can deny. If Kline just happened to be in the same era, could he achieve Errol’s status? Probably not. Thus, no one in this era should dismiss someone in another era when the circumstance and norm of acting and movie-making were so different. Above is strictly to defend Errol for specific argument. Generally speaking, I am still rooting for the success of an Errol-related film. (C’mon, Tim you are a fan of Errol… Read more »

As I’ve said over and over, I am rooting or the film, both artistically, and as far as its appeal with the public. Being new to the blog, you may not be aware of that, May, but’s that’s the case. The evidence is very sustantial, however, that it will not be regarded either artistically or commercially successful. Practically everything I’ve seen – including this trailer – makes that pretty clear. The only exceptions I can think of to the contrary are Robert’s account, Tina’s account, and one (other) glowing review by a Toronto writer who attended the TIFF. So, it… Read more »

The low-budget look of the film is a big concern, May. Here’s some evidence of why many people have not been favorably impressed:

prezi.com…

Toronto Film Review: ‘The Last of Robin Hood’

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Tim,

You just state above you are rooting for the film, but based on what you have posted here so far it seems that you have hardly one good word to say about the film even though you have not seen it yet.

Why not wait until we all saw it then we can have a honest debate?

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I evaluate evidence as I see it, May, not as I wish it was. Objectively, the evidence is overwhelming that this movie will not be an artistic or popular success. You’ve surely seen the bad reviews and signs, too. Why do you think they’re not accurate? I In life, as we surely all know. one must objectively judge as best one can with what info is available. One doesn’t marry someone on spec, especially when their are signs. One doesn’t wait till after Germany invades Poland & France, before one concludes Adolf is an adolf. And one shouldn’t ignore the… Read more »

I did forget to mention that Rex Reed gave it a couple of good blurbs, for what that’s worth.

www.salon.com…

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Very well said errolsfan!

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I just saw the trailer and I was bowled over! Frankly it looks damned good and I actually want to see it. The sets, costumes, music and cast were right on the money.

This film looks promising and seems to back up Tina’s review of it on IMDb.com….

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Just shows to go ya’ how people can see and hear things so differently. I hope your hopes are accurate, Ralph, but I can’t see this thing making much of a splash – unless it’s a belly flop. Thank Goodness they got Kline & Sarandon. And Dakota will widen it’s audience some. Otherwise, it doesn’t appear very important or enticing (at least to me). TimeWillTell RSWillTell. P.S. You like the music, too!?! Anyone know where it came from?? (Not that the musicianship is bad. It’s not. The “score” just doesn’t score any points with me. Report this comment

Last Of Robin Hood will not be a box office smash. This is strictly an independent film that will appeal only to a small segment of today’s movie audiences. The industry caters to the adolescents and the only thing here for them here is Dakota Fanning. And she’s not yet a big star, just rising at the moment.

Kline and Saradon will draw in an older, more suburban audience at theatres and DVD rentals.

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Well now lots of comments! I personally don’t like movies of this type (I know I should see it first!) because I don’t think that you ever capture the personality – I certainly don’t think you could ever capture Errol! On a different note, I was watching the video of the Royal Command Performance for The Forsyte Saga (I believe posted on this blog already) and was fascinated by the expression on Errol’s face – when His Majesty stopped and spoke to him – Errol smiled a bit and said something back- I like to think it was perhaps “Bung… Read more »

Thanks for that info on the meeting of Errol and the (other) King. I recall reading somehere that the King – or possibly another male British Royal – saw Errol at an event and asked him “How’s Burma doing?” – to which the Flynnman immediately and quite wittingly replied “I think she’s pregnant” … a reply the King evidently visibly found humorous. I thought this happened in France, but maybe it was at the Royal Command (TFS) Performance you mention.

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Here is another review:

www.soundonsight.org…

Thanks to all those who will go to the film with an unbiased opinion and give it a chance.

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Yes, that’s the glowing review I referenced above, Inga. Let’s hope it’s accurate. Being objective &realistic, however, we must face the fact that it is not in agreemebt with the overwhelmingly majority if reviewers who did not find the film anywhere near great, as did Ms. Drumm.

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Hi Inga; I read this review at the time when I saw the movie and this part of the review is really the essence of it all. While presenting a faded Old Hollywood story to a new audience, writing-directing team Richard Glatzer and Wash Westmoreland tapped into a deeper core of the story: three people in search of happiness, which, as the Beverly Aadland song goes, “is hard to find.” It is this bittersweet poignancy that stays with the audience long after the credits have stopped rolling. You still feel for each of the leads, however flawed or jaded or… Read more »

Aside from your extremely low opnion of the man, Tina, what exactly did Peter Debruge’s Variety review say about Last of Robin Hood that isn’t true? What do you think of Rex Reed’s credibility, who is the primary reviewer (one of the only) praising the film. Two of the three blurbs shown in the LORH trailer are by him. Often, it is Rex Reed’s credibility that’s challenged. And talk about egos & self-promotion!! That’s Rex Reed’s real specialty!! I could be wrong, but I think Peter Debruge is rather highly regarded for his insight & accuracy. He’s also an expert… Read more »

Inga;

I predict (famous last words) that Kevin Kline will receive an Oscar nomination for ‘Last Of Robin Hood’. I am not certain he will win the Oscar but he will definitely be nominated.
Ralph Schiller

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That would be good promo for the film! I hope your prediction comes true!!!

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What makes you think that, Ralph?

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Tim;

Kline will be Oscar-nominated for playing Errol Flynn. One reason is Kline’s tremendous talent but even more important is politics.

Hollywood loves to pat itself on the back and what better way to honor old Hollywood than by giving an Oscar to someone from new Hollywood. I’m being cynical!

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I see you point, Ralph. You might be right. They are always slapping themselves on the back and playing favorites out there in Tinsel Town. No doubt the Academy doesn’t always give the nominations and Oscar to the actors who most deserves it! If they did, Errol would have one fore, aft, port & starboard – and one atop each mast!

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Hi Ralph;
I love your prediction and I wish you are right! It all depend on what movies are made that year, I would say, don’t know too much about it.
As I said in my review it is not an epic or a Gone with the Wind movie just a nice, excellent B movie.
But what isn’t still could be. I sincerely hope you are right. For me, I settle for a nomination!
Lets cross our fingers and hold the thumb! (-:

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It isvery seldom this type of movie is a runaway successs. The character of Flynn was quite mercurial and by that very nature it would be extremely difficult for any actor to capture From the small trailer I have seen Kevin Kline didn’t seem to quite get Flynn and I felt it lacked something which I cannot quite put my finger on. That said I would still like to see the movie and make a call on it then. As much as I personally don’t like the way Flynn is portrayed in popular media this was the public Image of… Read more »

Objectivity may be an over-rated term, when film criticism is concerned. Many film critics have stated that their review/criticism is a subjective endeavor, even though a cultivated one. There is no way one (critic or layperson alike) can give a purely objective critique of a film. Who has? Roger Ebert once stated that film criticism “has to be first person subjective. Itʼs not a science, itʼs an art,” thus not objective. As Marlon Brando states in his autobiography, audience’s liking or disliking of a film is often affected by their life experience, personal taste and preference. Thus, there are no… Read more »

Well, I see we can agree on at least one thing, May. I believe in and value objectivity, and you, by your very words, do not. My take on all I’ve seen and read is that the movie is likely not great. You may consider hard evidence of budgetary problems and reviews from leaders in the industry luke Variety as totally insignificant, but I do not. I also respect and factor in reviews from Tina, realizing, of course, that they come from fans avidly hoping for something great. I consider, too, that Rex Reed’s review could be bought for a… Read more »

My dear fellow Flynn fans, I truely must say I like what I see. From an Ad man`s point of view, the package is solid. Even the music is acceptable considering the timeframe. Remember when weeks back a blog was posted here with Beverly Aadland singing an Elvis tune at the Groucho Marx Show and Grouch contributing a jittery bug. Times were a-changing and R´n`R was there to stay. Susan Sarandon will be the scene stealer, while Kevin Kline will be just fine. His slightly distant demeanor in promo interviews can be seen as an accomplished actor`s statement that he… Read more »

Excellent insight, shangheinz. Very objectively & tactfully put. I hope it proves terrific and does lead to an epic production. And why not Ausse Baz Luhrmann. Errol’s so much more interesting than Howard Hughes. I would prefer better sets and soundtrack, and Kline getting much closer to the sound & feel of Errol’s unique voice, but maybe it will all work out okay. The biggest achievement of the film I see, is that it doesn’t salaciously destroy Flynn. To me, that’s the most notable thing to celebrate about the film. I suspect, too, that’s why some avid Flynn fans are… Read more »

Good, Tim, you finally became a little bit more objective.

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I’ve always been objective, May. Please don’t insult me so inaccurately like that.

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Tim, If it sounds insulting to you, I must apologize even though it is not meant to be. But that’s the problem with words-only communication. Above is really meant to be a little bit sarcastic and a little bit funny—a rather causal expression. Words-only communication misses all of those. (If above had been said in person, you could have picked up my causal tone and my causal personality, thus not offended.) We both have used “objective” several times in different contexts. In this context, when I said “you finally became a little bit more objective” I meant you finally have… Read more »

In the context of other things you said above May, such as where you capitalize OBJECTIVE, I failed to see any well-intended humor. However, I agree with you and understand how difficult it is to communicate properly over the blog, so, of course, I accept and thank you for your apology. My (objective!) interpretation of what’s happening here regarding this film is that some of Errol’s fans are over-rating the film. and attacking anyone or anything that suggests the film is just not that good. If we Flynn fans saw the very same evidence, and these same reviews. in connection… Read more »

Tim, Anything I posted–if someone read the entire thread will know—doesn’t require an act of apology, but I believe as members of the blog, we are all responsible for a harmonious atmosphere. Thus, I acknowledged your feeling and acted gentlemanly. In short, I didn’t need to apologize for what I said; I only apologized for acknowledging your feelings. Hopefully, you understand the difference. You must be aware that I don’t agree with some of your comments above and have said so rightfully and politely. Still, I don’t agree with some of your comments here. But, there is no point to… Read more »

I apologize for believing your “apology” was actually an apology, May. As an objective person, I interpreted “apology” to mean apology. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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C’mon, Tim

I apologized for your subjective feeling being affected by my objective wording. But I didn’t apologize for my objective wording that caused your subjective feeling. (laughing)

Thus this causes any confusion? (laughing)

(Shouldn’t Gentleman Tim know what a gentlemanly act means?)

(laughing)

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Please note I had a laughing face while writing above. Please not to read it envisioning someone with a straight face, which is not the case. (I do not take myself seriously while being on the blog hopefully you too.)

Speaking of laughing face. I must let our eternal charmer to represent me.

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Very interesting, May. Very interesting.

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Hugh Davis

At this point, I doubt there will be any Oscar-nominations, and that is not meant as anything against the film (which I am excited to see eventually). But movies with this sort of limited release do not normally get many nominations, and films released in the summer are seldom nominated (at least for the “big” awards). I do hope it gets good acclaim, and I look forward to seeing Kline’s portrayal. Besides the fact he also played Douglas Fairbanks (and thus it makes for an interesting lineage), I think Kline playing Flynn recalls Flynn playing John Barrymore Too Much Too… Read more »

Hi Hugh; I am sure you will like the movie; I have seen it at its premier in Toronto Tiff last year. Kevin Kline was great, it seems he lived in Errol’s shoes to be able to act him. There are some actors who tried to portray Errol in the past with very poor success. I think Kevin Klein had a lot of courage to play Errol. It was often said that Errol would be most difficult to copy and mostly due to the unique charming mannerism he had. Even Kevin Klein, although excellent falls a little short to portray… Read more »

There has been some back and forth comments here that are dangerously close to abusing the blog rule about not fighting on the blog with other members. We just had a patch of that, and I’m sensitive about enforcing this rule. There are report comment links under every comment so that if you feel insulted, for example, you are supposed to contact the person you feel has insulted you OFF THE BLOG and settle the issue in a civil manner. If you have no success with that, report the comment, and an admin will try to help. In an adult… Read more »

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HAHAHAHA! Critics are always at odds with each other and themselves,LOL! As for the idea of an older actor like Kline reminiscing about all the young adventures of himself as Errol, I am in complete agreement. A younger actor playing Errol in many scenarios of the adventures along the timeline of his life would be fascinating! When I think about Errol’s voice I think smooth as his face in younger years. I’m glad that the cast is quality and I’m looking forward to seeing this no matter what!

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